Misha Verbitsky ([info]tiphareth) wrote,
@ 2003-03-10 15:02:00
Current mood:horror... horror...
Current music:Podorozhnyj - PESNI UBITYKH VREMEN

Horror and moral terror are your friends
Фраза "ужас и моральный террор" происходит не
из песни Летова и даже не из другой (и существенно
более хорошей) песни Манагера; эта фраза происходит
из русского перевода Apocalypse Now.

Вообще монолог полковника Курца есть
чрезвычайно важный текст; наряду с
"fear is the mind killer" Герберта.
Такие вещи следует учить наизусть.
В младших классах причем.

Потому что объясняет, почему вьетнамцы
победили американцев, палестинцы
уничтожат евреев, чеченцы прогонят
русских с Кавказа. И почему они
будут правы.

Люди, которые таких вещей не понимают,
не должны существовать. Потому что западло.

Война есть зверство. Тот, кто
хочет воевать без зверства - малодушный
подонок и лицемер. И его уничтожат.


Colonel Kurtz's monologue


I've seen horrors... horrors that you've seen. But you have no right
to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right
to do that... But you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for
words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what
horror means.

Horror. Horror has a face... And you must make a friend of
horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not
then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies.

I remember when I was with Special Forces... Seems a thousand
centuries ago... We went into a camp to innoculate the children. We
left the camp after we had innoculated the children for Polio, and
this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't
see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every
innoculated arm. There they were in a pile... A pile of little
arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried... I wept like some
grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I
wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget
it. I never want to forget.

And then I realized... like I was shot... Like I was shot with a
diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead... And I
thought: My God... the genius of that. The genius. The will to do
that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure.

And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could
stand that these were not monsters... These were men... trained
cadres... these men who fought with their hearts, who had families,
who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the
strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of
those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to
have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to
utilize their primordal instincts to kill without feeling... without
passion... without judgement... without judgement. Because it's
judgement that defeats us.



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[info]mancunian
2003-03-10 07:21 (link)
Shit, не могу найти полностью блестящий монолог Verbal про Kaiser Soze из The Usual Suspects. Начинается он так:

Keaton always said, `I don't believe in God, but I'm afraid of him'. Well I do believe in God, but the only thing that scares me is Kaiser Soze...

Довольно страшный фильм, не менее страшный, как мне кажется, чем Apocalypse Now.

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[info]emdin
2003-03-10 07:25 (link)
huh?

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Thanks!
[info]mancunian
2003-03-10 07:39 (link)
Here it is:

VERBAL (V.O.)
He comes home to his wife raped and his
children screaming. The Hungarians knew
Soze was tough. Not to be trifled with.
So they let him know they meant business.

The Hungarian smiles. Soze's wife SCREAMS IN HORROR.
The Hungarian holds up a BLOOD SOAKED RAZOR.
SUDDENLY, he grabs another child. A little girl no older than six.

VERBAL (V.O.)
They tell Soze they want his territory -
all his business. Soze looks over the +
faces of his family... Then he showed
these men of will what will really was.

SUDDENLY, Soze pulls out a pistol and shoots the two men with guns. He turns and aims at the third man holding his child.

The man threatens to cut the child's throat, slicing just enough to draw blood.

SOZE FIRES.

The stunned Hungarian watches the child fall from his arms.

Sate turns the pistol on the next child, then the next and the next. He kills his children one by one in front of the Hungarian.


VERBAL (V.O.)
He tells him he would rather' see his
family dead than live another day after
this.

SOZE walks over to his wife, crying and beaten on the floor and holds up her head. She gives him the strangest look. One of trust perhaps, saturated with fear and humiliation.

He puts the gun between her eyes and fires.

VERBAL (V.O.)
He lets the last Hungarian go, and he
goes running. He waits until his wife and
kids are in the ground and he goes after
the rest of the mob. He kills their kids,
he kills their wives, he kills their
parents and their parents' friends.

A dark and looming figure of a man walks in front of a wall of fire - a black shadow blurred by waves of heat.

VERBAL (V.O.)
He burns down the houses they live in and
the stores they work in, he kills people
that owe them money. And like that he was
gone. Underground. No one has ever seen
him again. He becomes a myth, a spook
story that criminals tell their kids at
night. If you rat on your pop, Keyser
Soze will get you. And nobody really ever
believes.

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Re: Thanks!
[info]xyu
2003-03-10 09:20 (link)
Kaizer Sosa какоито опереточный
не убедителен, не веру я бля в такую хуйню

а в Nam както верится что там были бля Ужас и Мор. терор

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[info]mancunian
2003-03-10 09:31 (link)
KS - символ полного беспредела и крайней жестокости. У него нет "понятий", он делает так, как ему нужно, не считаясь ни с чем. При этом он не "бык", а еще и очень умный и в чем-то даже симпатичный. Это страшно.

Кстати, совершенно ясно, что все, кто с ним соприкасался (полиция, ФБР...) будут за рамками фильма уничтожены. Детектив-латинос - в первую очередь. Когда он понял, что упустил самого Кайзера Соузе, он и это сразу почуял, на лице было написано, что он не жилец.

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[info]showpanorama
2003-03-10 09:29 (link)
best movie eva

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[info]tiphareth
2003-03-10 07:26 (link)
Apocalypse Now
на самом деле скорее смешной, чем страшный.

Серфинг, группа Дорз, Марлен Брандо с
пузом в три пуда. Фраза про "nothing like the
smell of napalm in the morning" вообще
чисто монти-питоновская.

А как блядей этих на вертолете эвакуируют
во главе с Долли Партон.

Такие дела
Миша

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[info]0116
2003-03-10 07:31 (link)
в Redux добавлена сцена как эти бляди обслуживают солдат за бензин чтобы сиебацаа
Тоже очень верно
если этим блядям урезать бензин
они просто кровью срать начнут, не то тчо под олдат ложиться.

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[info]0116
2003-03-10 07:27 (link)
кстати блестящий пример неправильного перевода как истинного
Если пиндосы христиане и иже с ними должны испытывать потрясение своих моральных устоев (ужас моральной стороны личности- пожалуй так верно перевести moral terror) то русским людям, людям стихии и хаоса, как раз таки для победы следует вызывать у врага потрясения морали- то есть устраивать моральный террор

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[info]tiphareth
2003-03-10 07:40 (link)

Ага.

"The servant of the Order strives to force
his enemy to accept the unacceptable. To serve Chaos, confront your enemy
with the unacceptable-- and he will eagerly chose any
lesser evil you desire to make unavoidable."

"The servant of Order, by the very fact that
he strives to maintain an eddy of decreased Social Entropy in a hostily
Chaotic universal context must imagine dangers
lurking around every corner. The servant of Chaos does not imagine
such dangers, he knows that they are there."


Привет
Миша

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[info]serg_a
2003-03-10 08:06 (link)
Манагер, по-моему, в "Бхаведанте" рассказывал об "Апокалипсисе".
Надо бы все монологи его с "Бхаведанты" расшифровать на бумагу да выложить. Должно интересно получиться, это был ещё 90-й год.

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[info]xyu
2003-03-10 08:38 (link)
Молодец, Миша,
очень порадовал,

Хорор нд Морал тэрор ар май фрэндс!

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[info]xxxx1
2003-03-10 13:05 (link)
просветил, да

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Synchronity:)
[info]delfinchik
2003-03-10 13:46 (link)

Только что разместила ссылку на etext "Heart of Darkness" Joseph Conrad в свой ЖЖ.

Лично считаю, что книга (из нее же сделали Apocalypse Now) сто раз сильнее Апокалипсиса Коппола.


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(Anonymous)
2003-03-11 01:40 (link)
MorTal terror, а вовсе не Moral Terror.

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